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Andrew Liveris (DOW) Interview Part 4: M&A

In part 4 we discuss areas of potential value for M&A.

Todd:
So, if there is no value in Ag, and no real value in the Petro- chemical sector now, where do you see value?

Andrew:
Well, great question. Firstly, the US economy, and the housing crisis leading to the credit issues leading to, if you like, the financial sector meltdown interestingly enough has not yet pitched profits in the economy in the main, apart from the banks and financial service companies. Main Street has survived the financial issues and the housing crisis pretty well. That means equity values have not come down so, one, equities are not at 52 week highs but they are roughly 80-85% of 52 week highs. Two, US dollar based companies with the US dollar , oil, interest rate issues, overseas properties become very expensive.

So, first you have Ag expensive, Petro-chemical it is not necessarily a question of price but of quality. Most of them are not high quality properties and are privatized and run for cash. The quality properties we are JV’ing with them, the previous point. So really, if you are on the acquisition trail, US equities have not come down a lot, and overseas properties are expensive.

So, you know where being incredibly, were scutinizing everything in mean I don’t quite have a NASA control room here but on my desk in my room I’ve got stacks and stacks of tracking mechanisms to see when good, quality properties may become afordable enough that we could make more money with them being part of Dow we could make more money with them than their being on their own. Now, whether they are friendly or hostile, that is another whole conversation. The fact that we haven’t done any big deal suggests those numbers aren’t in target right now. The financial discipline we’ve put in place here, Todd, is something I am real proud of .

I think, you know, money’s not burning a whole in oiur pocket and as I’ve to investors over and over were making all the deals we ned to make and if we get to the point wher we have too much cash, a great problem to have in this environment, we’ll for sure bump up the reward to shareholders and keep increasing our R&D spending so we can do more at Dow Ag and mimic their sucess. We got a ton of R&D projects that are very promising and than do small bolt on acquisitions, we’ve done 20 in the last 24 months.

At the right moment, maybe equities will come down and on our radar screen are a dozen or so properties than when the time is right, we’ll move on. But, you know, methodic, systemic, disciplined really paying a lot of attention to the criteria that matter for success. Creating a winning growth company. I’m really dedicated to putting down the earnings growth profile in a different place and doing it in a very methodical precise way. If I am blessed to have this job for as many years as I possibly could given my age I’ll see it through.

I’m not going to knee jerk around to people telling me to do short term things. That is easy to say when you’re on the outside. Trying to create long term earnings growth, that’s a different story and we’ll putting in place the discipline to do that.

Todd:
Yea, just from a personal standpoint I have not been able to understand the media’s infatuation with you having to do something. I’d rather do nothing than something stupid.

Andrew:
(Laughing) Unbelievable how the English language causes the media to go to strange places. If I could put your headline on every analyst report, I would.

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Yesterday's Lost News: McDonald's

Lost in the Lehman (LEH), Apple (AAPL) and Oil (USO) hysteria yesterday was the fact McDonald’s (MCD) turned in another undeniably fantastic month.

McDonald’s said on Monday that global sales in May were up a whopping 7.7% at established restaurants. Same-store sales, rose 4.3% at American McDonald’s restaurants open at least 13 months.

Analysts’ average call was for an increase of 1%. Same-store sales rose 9.6% in Europe, led by strength in Britain, France and Russia, and 9.7% in the Asia/Pacific, Middle East and Africa division.

McDonald’s Chief Executive Officer Jim Skinner said, “We’re committed to providing our customers with compelling value, unique menu variety and unparalleled convenience. Our steadfast focus on the customer experience and our alignment behind the Plan to Win continue to deliver positive results worldwide.”

Anyone want to bet they surpass analyst estimates for Q2 results on July 23, 2008?

Would I run out an buy shares now? At 27 times current EPS and almost 16 next year, I would say not really. If I owned them would I sell? I do, I will not be. I intend to ride the wave here much longer. I do not see conditions occurring either in the economy or in their industry in terms of competition that would cause the momentum they have to unwind.

I expect their value proposition to remain enticing for customers as the economy stays sluggish for quit some time and the competition, well, they are simply trying to catch up now.

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Yesterday’s Lost News: McDonald’s

Lost in the Lehman (LEH), Apple (AAPL) and Oil (USO) hysteria yesterday was the fact McDonald’s (MCD) turned in another undeniably fantastic month.

McDonald’s said on Monday that global sales in May were up a whopping 7.7% at established restaurants. Same-store sales, rose 4.3% at American McDonald’s restaurants open at least 13 months.

Analysts’ average call was for an increase of 1%. Same-store sales rose 9.6% in Europe, led by strength in Britain, France and Russia, and 9.7% in the Asia/Pacific, Middle East and Africa division.

McDonald’s Chief Executive Officer Jim Skinner said, “We’re committed to providing our customers with compelling value, unique menu variety and unparalleled convenience. Our steadfast focus on the customer experience and our alignment behind the Plan to Win continue to deliver positive results worldwide.”

Anyone want to bet they surpass analyst estimates for Q2 results on July 23, 2008?

Would I run out an buy shares now? At 27 times current EPS and almost 16 next year, I would say not really. If I owned them would I sell? I do, I will not be. I intend to ride the wave here much longer. I do not see conditions occurring either in the economy or in their industry in terms of competition that would cause the momentum they have to unwind.

I expect their value proposition to remain enticing for customers as the economy stays sluggish for quit some time and the competition, well, they are simply trying to catch up now.

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More Auto Owners Turning to Motocycles

Although Harley Davidson (HOG) earlier in the year dramatically reduce EPS estimates, I am beginning to think we may see them eclipse them when they report.

In early May I noted additional evidence that consumers were turning to two wheels as gas prices climbed toward $4 a gallon.

Now that is has hit $4 nationally, it seems to flow is turning into a flood.

NBC San Diego reported that Harley Davidson dealerships in the area are seeing huge response to $4 gas.

“We’re seeing a huge influx of new riders coming in,” said Mike Moran of San Diego Harley-Davidson. “It’s been incredible.”

Because of gas prices, sales have increased dramatically, say workers at the business.

“I drive a 1990 Ford Bronco,” customer Warren Deeds said. “I get, like, 13 miles a gallon, and being a bigger guy, I don’t fit into the more fuel-efficient smaller cars, so I was looking at motorcycles today.”

Deeds and his friend Joey Claiborne are both in the market for new rides.

“If I can get 30 mpg –a lot, probably a couple of hundred a month, probably a little more,” Claiborne said, discussing how much money riding a motorcycle could save him.”

Previous reports of increasing Harley sales were from Illinois, Florida and LA. HOG predicted an 8% drop in motorcycle sales this year ans that will be the key measure when earnings are reported mid-July.

I for one will not be surprised and do expect to hear that trend are improving in terms of sales. Now, the performance of HDFC will have a large impact on results but I expect those who have sold the stock expecting dire news are going to be disappointed.

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Tuesday's Links

Buffett, Donuts, Blogger vs MSM, Blogger vs MSM Part II

– Buffett on hedge funds

Still around?!?

– I’d put my money on Annello

And Tilson

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Buffett, Donuts, Blogger vs MSM, Blogger vs MSM Part II

– Buffett on hedge funds

Still around?!?

– I’d put my money on Annello

And Tilson

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Tuesday's Upgrades and Downgrades


Upgrades
CBRL Group (CBRL)- Avondale Mkt Perform » Mkt Outperform
Hanesbrands (HBI)- CL King Neutral » Strong Buy
Met-Pro Corp (MPR)- Brean Murray Hold » Buy
ASM Intl NV (ASMI)- Jefferies & Co Underperform » Hold
Novo-Nordisk A/S (NVO)- HSBC Securities Underweight » Neutral
Webster Financial (WBS)- Keefe Bruyette Mkt Perform » Outperform
Eaton (ETN)- JP Morgan Neutral » Overweight
Macrovision (MVSN)- Piper Jaffray Neutral » Buy

Downgrades
Nokia (NOK)- AmTech Research Buy » Neutral
Tercica (TRCA)- Stanford Research Buy » Hold
Clorox (CLX)- BMO Capital Markets Outperform » Market Perform
Microsemi (MSCC)- Needham Buy » Hold
Encore Energy (ENP)- Stanford Research Buy » Hold
Amylin Pharms (AMLN)- Jefferies & Co Buy » Hold
TEKELEC (TKLC)- Deutsche Securities Buy » Hold
ATA Inc (ATAI)- Susquehanna Financial Positive » Neutral
Spreadtrum Comms (SPRD)- Roth Capital Buy » Hold
Murphy Oil (MUR)- JP Morgan Neutral » Underweight

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Upgrades
CBRL Group (CBRL)- Avondale Mkt Perform » Mkt Outperform
Hanesbrands (HBI)- CL King Neutral » Strong Buy
Met-Pro Corp (MPR)- Brean Murray Hold » Buy
ASM Intl NV (ASMI)- Jefferies & Co Underperform » Hold
Novo-Nordisk A/S (NVO)- HSBC Securities Underweight » Neutral
Webster Financial (WBS)- Keefe Bruyette Mkt Perform » Outperform
Eaton (ETN)- JP Morgan Neutral » Overweight
Macrovision (MVSN)- Piper Jaffray Neutral » Buy

Downgrades
Nokia (NOK)- AmTech Research Buy » Neutral
Tercica (TRCA)- Stanford Research Buy » Hold
Clorox (CLX)- BMO Capital Markets Outperform » Market Perform
Microsemi (MSCC)- Needham Buy » Hold
Encore Energy (ENP)- Stanford Research Buy » Hold
Amylin Pharms (AMLN)- Jefferies & Co Buy » Hold
TEKELEC (TKLC)- Deutsche Securities Buy » Hold
ATA Inc (ATAI)- Susquehanna Financial Positive » Neutral
Spreadtrum Comms (SPRD)- Roth Capital Buy » Hold
Murphy Oil (MUR)- JP Morgan Neutral » Underweight

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Icahn Sends Yahoo (YHOO) Another Letter

This is great stuff……….

Roy Bostock
Chairman
Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94089

Dear Roy:

After reading Yahoo!’s (YHOO) press release put out on Friday in response to my letter
of that morning, I cannot help but wonder if you even read my letter.

Again, Yahoo! keeps repeating misstatements in the hope it will convince its
shareholders that these misstatements are valid. I cannot understand why the
Yahoo! board feels so strongly about its “poison pill” severance plan and why it
continues to refuse to rescind it. How can you continue to repeat that your
severance plan is in the best interests of shareholders and employees? Indeed,
Yahoo!’s own compensation advisor called the severance plan “nuts.” Is it not
true, as the shareholder complaint stated, that Microsoft’s (MSFT) CEO earmarked $1.5
billion for employee retention (a benefit you neglected to tell your employees
about)? Is it not better to incentivize employees to stay in their jobs than to
quit? Instead of just continuing to repeat the mantra that we have made an
inaccurate interpretation of your severance plan, why do you refuse to go into
detail as to why our interpretation is incorrect? Additionally, a New York paper
reported this weekend that “sources close to Microsoft said the severance plan
was a “big issue” when deciding what price they could pay for Yahoo!”

In your press release from Friday, you stated again that I do not have a
credible plan for Yahoo! Did you even bother to read my letter, which went into
great detail on what measures I would ask the new board to take? Ironically,
while you keep inquiring about my plans, it is interesting to note that Yahoo!’s
board has been busy reaping great compensation benefits. Indeed, you made
approximately $10,000 per week last year – not bad for a board member. I believe
most of your shareholders would be interested in seeing your time sheets –
especially in light of the fact that, in my estimation, most of your so-called
“plans” over the last few years have been failures. Remember the old adage –
those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Perhaps most
importantly, under my plan, I would ask the Board to bring in a talented and
experienced CEO to replace Jerry Yang and return Jerry to his role as “Chief
Yahoo!” It is extremely important to note that Google hired a great operator as
a CEO who helped to transform the Company into a giant at the expense of Yahoo!
According to publicly available financial information, while Google’s income
from operations grew 59% per year over the last two years, Yahoo!’s income from
operations shrank 21%. What was the board doing over this period? Where was
their great “plan”? I believe a new CEO with operating experience might well
have had and might still have a very salutary impact on Yahoo! I ask again what
your great “plan” has been over the last few years. Why did you permit Google to
leave you in the dust?

I outlined a number of questions in Friday’s letter. Why don’t you do me the
courtesy of answering my questions as I have answered yours?

Sincerely yours,

CARL C. ICAHN

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"Fast Money" for Tuesday


TUESDAY’S PICKS
Jeff Macke recommends Pier One (PIR) $5.26 as a bounce back play.

Tim Seymour prefers Tata Motors (TTM) $12.17 as a stock that’s been unfairly beaten up.

Pete Najarian thinks GameStop (GME) $45.83 is a buy.

MONDAY’S RESULTS
None

2008 Records:
Brian Schaeffer= 0-1
Carter Worth= 1-1
Jon Najarian= 4-3
Jeff Macke= 44-37-1
Tim Seymore= 17-14
Guy Adami= 48-37
Pete Najarian= 43-39
Karen Finerman= 42-33-1
Joe Terrenova= 1-3

2007 Results (Since 6/21):
Guy Adami= 58-46 = 56%
Jeff Macke= 60-40 = 60%
Pete Najarian= 49-41 = 54%

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$199 3G iPhone…..Jobs Admits Early Buyers "Suckers"

How stupid do those folks who slept outside for days for a phone feel? They could have waited a year, got a better phone from apple (AAPL) for 1/3 the price….

By the way, Jobs did not actually say it but we all know “actions speak louder than words”…..

Apple finally admitted its sales strategy was a failure today having only sold 6 million phones in year 1 and only 2.4 million to date.

Here is a photo we should have seen from day one:

Jobs botched this one big time. Has this been the price from day one, he would have crushed the market and not given time for competitors (Verizon (VZ) Research in Motion (RIMM) and Sprint (S)) to get their own versions of it working. It took a market share slide to finally convince him that just because something is from Apple, people are not dumb enough to pay whatever he wants to charge. Well some are, but most aren’t.

I expected my post last night to garner
the typical Appleholic rage from supporters, I guess they are too busy licking their wounds today????

The real irony here? Even though the stock has sold off and probably will continue to do so for a while on the news, long term, this is the best thing. The phone would have NEVER been a big seller even at $399.

Disclosure (“none” means no position):Sold Apple July $280 Calls in January

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More on Lehman: Einhorn is Stil On Top of It

I have not found a reason to doubt Einhorn yet and actually, if one is following it, one must believe him more as each day passes….

Listen to what Einhorn has to say first about Lehman (LEH):

Now listen to what Faber says CFO Erin Callahan says:

Here is how it priced:

Not for nothing but where is CEO Dick Fuld? Why aren’t the media demanding he be the face of the company rather than the CFO? The company is imploding and he is sending Callahan out there for crucifixion. Why?

There comes a point in time when the guy or gal in charge need to be out in front. I mean if they will get rid of Jimmy Cayne for playing bridge, is it now ok for Fuld to hide in his office? What is the difference really?

Here is what it comes down to. Lehman now is at a point where they are either not telling the truth, or, do not have a handle on what they hold. Either is very bad for shareholders.

This is the singular reason comments from Einhorn have so much weight. He right now seems to be the only one who is both being totally honest AND has a handle on what is going on there.

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Andrew Liveris (DOW) Interview: Part 3, Dow Ag

In part three we discuss Dow Ag and the agricultural sector in general including DuPont (DD) and Monsanto (MON).

Todd:
Dow Ag. Roughly a third of earnings in the most recent quarter were Dow Ag. After you sell the commodity business we are looking well in excess of that. I have not been able to find what percent of future earnings you expect them to be and what type of growth and how far out, as right now you are at about 20-25% annual EPS growth at Dow Ag. Going out 2009-2010 and beyond, to me 20% -25% EPS growth there seems sustainable if not surpassable. Accurate or no?

Andrew:
I think you are more accurate than not, remember the current % of Dow earnings is because AG is front loaded. It tends to be a first half year event for all of us because we are in the northern hemisphere and that’s whether its Dow (DOW), DuPont (DD) or Monsanto (MON). The whole year happens in the first six months. We have some southern hemisphere exposure notably Brazil and Argentina and my country Australia, but most of it is titled towards the northern hemisphere as a % of total earnings. Those numbers are distorted at this moment, but if you take the whole year and you say in ’07 Dow AG earned about 10% to 15% of Dow’s earnings but their growth rate was like you said 20 some odd percent for the last five years.

They achieved that through 2 mechanisms one of which will continue to be a big plus that will ultimate if not continue that 20% ramp up it will get very close. The first mechanism is we have been levering Dow’s considerable operational efficiencies over to Dow’s Agroscience. Even though it is a small co. $3 to $4 billion in revenue it has the power of a $50 billion co. in terms of operational excellence in its manufacturing, plants and supply chain. In its governance and share services it operates with its access to big company infrastructure, that’s number one.

That’s helped a lot of the cost line. Number two, the most exciting part is its pipeline. I mean, four years ago we made a conscious decision we said,”look, we’re never going to be a big seed co. because its too expensive, one of these days we might be able to find an answer on U.S. corn, but between now and then let’s rev up the technology engine and frankly not just in bio and seeds and traits in germplasm, but also in crop chemicals.” I don’t care what people say, GMOs will not replace crop chemicals in totality because growers will always need variety in their toolbox, its about diversity of solution and biotech cannot answer everything.

So we said “let’s put R & D in focus on the pipeline that we now have” in crop chemicals in particular things that are not just in corn, but outside of corn, in cotton, rapeoil and canola, in seed ,in soy beans and of course over range and pasture. The crop chemical R & D pipeline we have right now and what we have done in traits and in particular our new traits that we have announced plus the SmartStax agreement with Monsanto, have put us in a tremendous position. By 2010 when SmartStax gets launched, when our new traits get launched and our crop protection pipeline comes through, the R & D engine will yield real margin expansion for Dow AG.

I happen to think that Dow Ag in many ways doesn’t need to have big revenues b/c its margins at 16%, 18%, 20% bottom line margins is packing a big punch in terms of its ability to deliver margin despite its size. We’re increasing the R & D spending there. Dow Ag has a quarter of the R & D spending as a company which is a phenomenal statement when considering the size of the company we are and out thee in the future Todd we might be able to find rationalization opportunity and I will say out there, we’ll find another one. In the meantime keep making that growth story.

Todd:
That was actually the next question. Ag sector valuations are stratospheric just now.

Andrew:
Oh yea, I mean look, what were seeing now of the whole food change now started by corn and ethanol, that whole thing. Having said that, we’re seeing China, this whole point about China’s surge and as the Chinese eat more protien, eat more animals, those animals have to be nutured on agriculture, agriculture comes from feed, feed comes from corn and you know, there you go.

The food price things is real because of China’s assention and I do think that’s going to get worse before it get better and I think the world is going to have to address it. I do not know what the systems will be. I do think the poverty side of it is big. The agricultural sector and the commodity boom in agriculture is compelling valuations to stratospheres, I mean Monsanto is the great flag carrier there, they are doing great and it wasn’t long ago they were on their knees.

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Apple's Infomercial "Get Our Best Phone for 1/2 Price"

Do you know what 1.7 out of 10 equals. The number of iPhones Apple (AAPL) has sold in 2008 (Q1) vs the goal they have set. Now news comes of drastic prices cuts. Where is that crazy English guy who does the Sunday morning infomercials? He could move a few…

Because of this, it now seams Apple has realized the obvious and will accept iPhone’s being sold perhaps even below $200 and in an effort to help carries subsidize the price cuts, will be foregoing some of the monthly revenue they receive from subscribers.

Just over a year ago, before the iPhone hit the shelves I said “a $599 phone will not gain mass acceptance no matter what is does, lower the price to $299 and you’ll have something”

Not long after the launch, Apple dropped the price of the phone to $399 and was forced to issue $100 rebates to irate folks of questionable mental functionality who waited in line for days to BUY A PHONE.

Recent news has seen Apple fall farther behind Research in Motion’s (RIMM) Blackberry in the corporate market.

If that was not bad enough, Apple lost share to both RIMM and Palm in the total market for smart phones last month. Losing share to RIMM is one things, but Palm?

Apple fans will excuse this as Job’s and co. “emptying the shelves” of the old version to get ready for the new one. Right, because Job’s MO since day one has always been about willingly falling behind the competition. A better excuse is the 3G phone is just behind schedule and someone planned poorly. Remember, we have been hearing about this coming out “any day” since January.

Why did they fall behind? A pinched consumer will not pay $400 for a phone. I can get a Blackberry Pearl for $99 and a Palm for the same. Apple fails to realize (or only now has) that they are selling a phone, not a technological revolution. When you add recent and upcoming competitive products from Verizon (VZ) and Sprint (S), you further crown a market Apple is by far the most expensive in for a strapped consumer.

Apple fan will scream “tech talk” about why the Apple offering is so superior, pretty and “cool” at the top of their lungs. Guys………..IT’S A PHONE….PERIOD. You want to get $599 for it? Stop selling iPods, them folks will have to buy it in order to listen to their music. Not really too realistic though.

Steve Jobs will hit the stage Monday and reveal the “3G” that according the Apple fans will even be able to light my grill and flip the steaks. He will also for the first time accept massive price cuts on a superior product (to the old version). If this is not an admission Job’s and Crew misjudged the market, nothing is.

Apple fans will also claim this is some sort of “master plan” from Jobs. I seem to remember when I did not want to pay $399 for a ipod, I found one for $149 with less than half the memory and one for $99 for one with almost none. At no time did I have the ability to buy a superior version for far less money. Remember, an iPhone for under $200 will be a 50% price cut.

Will Apple hit their goal now? Probably. But, it is not because of a 3G version though. It is because they will most likely finally price the phone at a price point most sane people will actually pay FOR A PHONE.

Now that is done, Apple devotees are free to yell from the roofs at me, curse, swear, threaten, and take partial sentences mix them up to try to twist what I say all in an effort to ….well…..I do not know why they are like that.

Of, course what they could just as easily say is, “when we called you a $%#&$ last year for suggesting the phone was overpriced, we were wrong and you were right”. Doubtful though….

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Apple’s Infomercial "Get Our Best Phone for 1/2 Price"

Do you know what 1.7 out of 10 equals. The number of iPhones Apple (AAPL) has sold in 2008 (Q1) vs the goal they have set. Now news comes of drastic prices cuts. Where is that crazy English guy who does the Sunday morning infomercials? He could move a few…

Because of this, it now seams Apple has realized the obvious and will accept iPhone’s being sold perhaps even below $200 and in an effort to help carries subsidize the price cuts, will be foregoing some of the monthly revenue they receive from subscribers.

Just over a year ago, before the iPhone hit the shelves I said “a $599 phone will not gain mass acceptance no matter what is does, lower the price to $299 and you’ll have something”

Not long after the launch, Apple dropped the price of the phone to $399 and was forced to issue $100 rebates to irate folks of questionable mental functionality who waited in line for days to BUY A PHONE.

Recent news has seen Apple fall farther behind Research in Motion’s (RIMM) Blackberry in the corporate market.

If that was not bad enough, Apple lost share to both RIMM and Palm in the total market for smart phones last month. Losing share to RIMM is one things, but Palm?

Apple fans will excuse this as Job’s and co. “emptying the shelves” of the old version to get ready for the new one. Right, because Job’s MO since day one has always been about willingly falling behind the competition. A better excuse is the 3G phone is just behind schedule and someone planned poorly. Remember, we have been hearing about this coming out “any day” since January.

Why did they fall behind? A pinched consumer will not pay $400 for a phone. I can get a Blackberry Pearl for $99 and a Palm for the same. Apple fails to realize (or only now has) that they are selling a phone, not a technological revolution. When you add recent and upcoming competitive products from Verizon (VZ) and Sprint (S), you further crown a market Apple is by far the most expensive in for a strapped consumer.

Apple fan will scream “tech talk” about why the Apple offering is so superior, pretty and “cool” at the top of their lungs. Guys………..IT’S A PHONE….PERIOD. You want to get $599 for it? Stop selling iPods, them folks will have to buy it in order to listen to their music. Not really too realistic though.

Steve Jobs will hit the stage Monday and reveal the “3G” that according the Apple fans will even be able to light my grill and flip the steaks. He will also for the first time accept massive price cuts on a superior product (to the old version). If this is not an admission Job’s and Crew misjudged the market, nothing is.

Apple fans will also claim this is some sort of “master plan” from Jobs. I seem to remember when I did not want to pay $399 for a ipod, I found one for $149 with less than half the memory and one for $99 for one with almost none. At no time did I have the ability to buy a superior version for far less money. Remember, an iPhone for under $200 will be a 50% price cut.

Will Apple hit their goal now? Probably. But, it is not because of a 3G version though. It is because they will most likely finally price the phone at a price point most sane people will actually pay FOR A PHONE.

Now that is done, Apple devotees are free to yell from the roofs at me, curse, swear, threaten, and take partial sentences mix them up to try to twist what I say all in an effort to ….well…..I do not know why they are like that.

Of, course what they could just as easily say is, “when we called you a $%#&$ last year for suggesting the phone was overpriced, we were wrong and you were right”. Doubtful though….

Disclosure (“none” means no position):Sold Apple July $280 calls in January

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